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@jeffowski AI is just another tool to make users lazier

@dogpile @jeffowski it has enormous potential to democratize education through #onelaptoperchild and similar initiatives.

@nicholas_saunders @dogpile @jeffowski By teaching everyone things that aren't correct.

@ariaflame @dogpile @jeffowski I said potential, Aria. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

@nicholas_saunders @dogpile @jeffowski LLMs at the moment don't give accurate information. But sure, tell me that I can give up my job and give it over to machines which do not give accurate information.

@ariaflame @dogpile @jeffowski bit of a strawman there, isn't it? It's just a tool like any other. As you yourself said, it's not capable of thought. Writing some boilerplate? Great.

Not understanding the hate.

Because it's an advancement. Terribly inefficient and overblown, but with great potential and some present utility.

@nicholas_saunders @dogpile @jeffowski So it's good at doing bad writing? How is that useful?

@ariaflame @dogpile @jeffowski

It's rather remarkable, but it's also being used to write code. It collates data well, and acts as a frontend for Wikipedia.

It has utility. Of course it's hyped up. And?

@nicholas_saunders @dogpile @jeffowski From what I've heard not great code. What data does it collate?

@atzanteol @ariaflame @nicholas_saunders @dogpile - I have a very good friend that is an incredibly smart guy but was deprived of a quality education. His speech is crude and he has trouble making comprehensible sentences for his social media posts. AI as an assistant to an actual user is different than simply outsourcing entire jobs away from actual artists. I don’t believe AI is dangerous in the sense that it can destroy humans CONT -> #ai

@atzanteol @ariaflame @nicholas_saunders @dogpile - this sort of work does not expand the dataset at all. It is all derivative. Outside of the ethics of using the art of other artists to train your machine learning model, it cannot deviate and create something completely new. We have ethical use of #AI as a tool to enhance a human and and the inethical use of #generativeAI creating derivative works in styles stolen from real human artists.

@atzanteol @ariaflame @nicholas_saunders @dogpile - an artist using #AI to create more art trained on the artist’s past work for the benefit of the artist is something I can get behind. Using #GenerativeAI to circumvent the artist using a service trained on their art and the art of thousands of other artists for the benefit of a tech company and the end customer (again, not the artist(s)) is inethical and does not expand the dataset.

@jeffowski @atzanteol @ariaflame @dogpile

Fuck, Jeff, tell us what you really think.

But, yeh, hunna percent, as they say now. Music, I think, is the most immediately exploitable. The long term effect being that composing becomes a lost art.

But that risk is across the board. Why learn to draw when ai will do that for you?

@nicholas_saunders @jeffowski @ariaflame @dogpile

Remember when everyone stopped learning math because of calculators?

@atzanteol @jeffowski @ariaflame @dogpile

This is different, tho. The AI can create a completed artistic work. It's plagiarism and unoriginal, but, as Stalin might observe: quantity has its own quality.

@nicholas_saunders @atzanteol @jeffowski @ariaflame @dogpile Another example is the demise of classical painting after Cubism and photography. There had always been movements in art, but since the early 20th century very few people have learned to paint photorealistic images, as artists could in previous decades and centuries.

There was an app for that.

@mike805 @nicholas_saunders @atzanteol @jeffowski @ariaflame @dogpile and yet plenty of photorealistic painters abound, in fact have reached a skill level that’s dramatically higher than in the 19th century. Nor did musician stop creating music once the record or tape was invented. A lot of handwringing here…

@mike805 @nicholas_saunders @jeffowski @ariaflame @dogpile

That was me in the '80s. I was always bad at math. Most people are. Even back then you'd have mistakes where a smug customer would say "Don't they teach math these days" (kids are always stupid "these days").

@atzanteol @nicholas_saunders @peterbutler @ariaflame @dogpile — any economic incentive for the given art will be squashed.
People will always create but it will be sacrificed to the corporate gods’ coffers if it gets to the internet.
I have many pieces of art that I’ve created and I have specifically never photographed or digitized it in any way and it is not on any public display.
Is this art monetarily more valuable? -> CONT

@atzanteol @nicholas_saunders @peterbutler @ariaflame @dogpile — knowing the artists I do, there is a spiteful streak amongst them and many are doing what I am doing, and that is not creating new art. They would rather NOT make new art if it will simply be stolen.
Any art that IS created will be entirely for art’s sake and never make it to the machine learning models. It will be trapped in a private collection hidden from the public.

@atzanteol @nicholas_saunders @peterbutler @ariaflame @dogpile — what is true is that the #generativeAI needs artists to become better as these companies discourage and steal from these same people they desperately need.

@jeffowski @atzanteol @peterbutler @ariaflame @dogpile

the gravest concern I see is similar to how you've put it, I'd just put a different spin on it. Without economic incentive there won't be a vibrant art/music/other scene of creativity for people to join. Just robots sampling robots. And so, much as I hate to bring in the matrix, that would make now the zenith.

Which is quite sad.

In the year 2525.....they had most of the lyrics right. Just forgot to mention the stagnation of culture.