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@iinac -- It uses a lot less energy because the model is a lot smaller, very likely through curation of the data before the model was created.

The "cost" they are referring to is the amount of electricity and green house gasses it created to make the multi-dimensional model.

It neglects the "cost" of human work being done before that point to curate and validate all the data going into that AI model.

@jeffowski @iinac @blogdiva

> It neglects the "cost" of human work being done before that point to curate and validate all the data going into that AI model.

That is a cost for #wikipedia that would have welcomed such contribution. Otherwise that is a plain and simple added-value to the companies, and countries taking part in this, so called, curation.

@aziz @iinac @blogdiva --

"Curation" does not solve the "THEFT" issue with and

A Sustainable AI future includes AI companies having teams in the real world searching for new art and new science to validate and add to their models, through LICENSING or PAYING ROYALTIES to use that data from the artists and scientists.

@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva At the scales of data required to train the models a licensing agreement and financial transaction for every piece of data isn’t possible. Not enough people or time to do it. Which is a solid case for prohibiting it altogether by my lights.

@daedalean --

Offer a better solution then.

The "scale" you are talking about is getting smaller and smaller every day based on the computing power we have, so discounting it based on that alone is absolute bullshit and defeatist.

Nihilism is a bad look. Don't take us down with you.

I worked in the iTunes Royalties team for a bit when I was at Apple and the amount of music on that platform DWARFS the nearest competitors combined. It has been done before.

@aziz @iinac @blogdiva

@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva did you go out and find music to put into iTunes then negotiate with each individual artist? Or did you create a platform that had a standard license and artists opted into it? Big difference.

@daedalean --
That's cute... You think there is a "standard" contract.

There are entire structures and teams from the artist, through their representation team, to entire structures and teams on the Apple iTunes side that all work together to ensure weekly and monthly royalty checks are properly paid out.

It may even be so routine that even Spotify, Pandora, and other companies have found similar solutions and processes that have similar (if not identical) outcomes.

@aziz @iinac @blogdiva

@jeffowski @aziz @iinac @blogdiva which again artists opt into using because it provides some value to them. Are you honestly claiming that you had custom, individual licensing agreements with each artist whose work was in iTunes?

@daedalean --

Lets be very clear. THERE IS NO STANDARD UNIVERSAL CONTRACT for music royalties.

There is NO STANDARD CONTRACT. Even the leasing forms you will obviously bring up as standard can be modified by either party.

If this model doesn't work, why is Apple iTunes making money? Is Apple doing it as a charity? Are Pandora and Spotify too?

The ignorance on your side and how that ignorance allows you to completely dismiss something that is working in real life is astounding.

@aziz

@jeffowski @aziz none of those are ai. They are basically resellers. AI isn’t taking a book, a movie, a song (or many, many books, etc) and providing mass distribution of that work to more people than an artist could possibly reach on their own. I’m not proposing banning anything like that.

@jeffowski @aziz You’re taking a model you understand and attempting to apply it to a very different thing you don’t appear to understand. AI companies cannot pay artists enough for the amount of art (data) needed to make it worth it to the artist and have a profitable business. Hell, it’s not even clear they can be profitable currently when they’re just stealing it.

Church of Jeff

@daedalean @aziz ---

You're still using the same arguments they used to justify slavery.

Maybe the current model is the only way because you've been told it is the only model while people at the top profit.

I didn't know the bros had fluffers like the billionaires running around in the wild like this.