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@mroach @MisuseCase @fluffykittycat @eff

The thing is: there _are_ better solutions out there to verify age online without compromising #privacy (and I'm disappointed by the #EFF complaining, but not proposing alternative solutions).

Sometimes #Math can help ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Opening up ‘Zero-Knowledge Proof’ technology to promote privacy in age assurance (Google, July 2025):

blog.google/technology/safety-

Google · Opening up ‘Zero-Knowledge Proof’ technology to promote privacy in age assuranceBy Alan Stapelberg

A Redditor asks: “Can’t zero knowledge proof solve the privacy concerns about the UK online safety law?” – my response…

Hi. I love your question. For disclosure I have been working on digital civil liberties around encryption since 1991 and I have been working on age verification since 2016.

The really short version of my answer is: it would only address the problematic issues from a technological perspective, but what we really have here is a political problem.

There is this thing called Ranum’s Law, named after Marcus Ranum, an early Innovator in the space of firewalls, and he wrote that “you can’t fix social problems with software”.

Age verification is one of those technological / software fixes which say that they are doing one thing (protecting kids) whilst actually they are achieving something else (enumerating everyone who uses the web) – if you immediately fix on attempting to reduce risks of “enumeration” you end up ignoring: disenfranchisment of people who cannot age verify, political pressure to permit privacy-invading systems as well “in the name of market competition” and a race to the bottom for people’s personal data.

So ZKP is a wonderful technology when deployed in a controlled infrastructure and under centralised patch management to protect discrete and well described taxonomies of data… but it’s never going to happen in the real world because that’s not what people in power actually want. (Edit: plus: the data is a mess and there is also no taxonomy)

What they actually want is: for their friends who have been lobbying them since 2016 or earlier to get a wad of money, and for the public to be placated enough about child safety that they get reelected.

This is not a technical problem and it does not have a technical solution. What we are seeing here is the long tail of a moral panic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptography/comments/1mc2m08/comment/n5qqtyy/

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