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Church of Jeff

-- The cannabis community, especially the former/current legalization campaigners and activists, and especially the medical marijuana users find the idea of "reefer madness" and the stupid and lazy stoner stereotype extremely offensive.
We are responsible adults with careers, families, and responsibilities and we contribute to society.
THESE STEREOTYPES ARE USED AGAINST US ALL THE TIME.
It allows everyone to dismiss, ignore, and ridicule us. It prevents change to cannabis laws.

@jeffowski i used to do private tutoring of calculus and differential equations when i was younger. maybe not responsible, but 3 of my students are professional engineers and one of them called me up years later to tell me that i taught them how to think about math. anyone who thinks weed makes me stupider or lazier hasn't tried weed or they're revealing their own character.

@jeffowski

Oh absolutely — because nothing screams “public menace” like a dad with a minivan, a mortgage, and a mild case of glaucoma. Clearly, society should tremble before the terrifying specter of adults responsibly using a plant while also remembering to take the garbage out on Thursdays.

@jeffowski

Just pointing something out:

Nutmeg gets you way higher than weed. It's a tree seed that grows on the other side of the world, and costs about $30/lb these days.

MJ is an actual weed that is about the easiest crop to grow, produces a (metaphoric) ton of usable mass per plant, and fruits in 4 months rather than 20 years.

A reasonable price for weed would be fifty bucks a pound. That would pay Americans a living wage to grow it and every parasite between the farmers and the customers could make a decent profit.

Weed prices are insane.

(Also, the three powder drugs should cost about five bucks an ounce, and most of that would be like cigarettes in that the money would go to harm reduction. You could make a hefty profit at a buck and ounce for pure coke or dope.)

@jeffowski I'm pissed the "cannabis" community is stuck in the "get high" category, when HEMP is fucking so superfuckinguseful. it's criminal that we don't industrialize hemp.

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@mousey -- See? There you go...

Cannabis and Hemp are the SAME THING.

@jeffowski bruh, I'm not arguing that.

what I'm arguing is.. the cannabis *community* only focuses on the getting high part. every HempFest I've ever been to has been about getting high, and related paraphenalia.

I am YET to go to ANY cannabis conference that is about:
- industrial or consumer textiles
- fuels
- feed
- oils
- paper products
- cardboard products
- medicines (other than CBD)
- soaps, lotions, makeup
- building/construction materials
- paints or inks
- coatings

and so on.

@mousey --

I'm trying to figure out how to get at all the "disposed" cannabis plants after harvesting so that I can make full hemp rope for BDSM Bondage rope, which is all imported from outside the United States currently.

Here in Colorado, after a grow harvest, the rest of the plant must be destroyed instead of used or recycled in some way.

@jeffowski Ok so @mousey it’s just stick in ground and grow. There’s a huge issue with hemp growing in soils. It’s not the perfect plant this is made out to be. AG research I follow translation here.

But yeah like the seeds can just sink, once they sink they fail to germinate. If you do this you’ll end up with catastrophic results. Entire lost crop.

Hemp is cool but really the issues of growing it at scale are not pretty. This is talking the commercial uses you mentioned. However considering before we ever decided to plant hemp? The ag land was already used. So we have to consume food to grow hemp.

Cannabis on the other hand does not require near the space. Humans no matter who they are can only smoke or eat so much. So there’s a limited size market for it.

@SlicerDicer --

Do you have any citations?
Nothing will grow properly if it is not in the right conditions. Period.
Everything will grow properly if it is in the right conditions. Period.

When people talk about cannabis/hemp as a weed, it simply takes off under the right conditions.

When people talk about cannabis/hemp as being fickle, it simply isn't in the right conditions.

Citations are needed to decipher your claims.

@mousey

@jeffowski @mousey I should clarify I come from farmers, I’ve been involved in farming for over 2 decades myself. I’m well aware of what conditions plants grow in and do not grow in.

The point is that nothing is easy and just a silver bullet.

@SlicerDicer --

"Industrial Hemp Faces Challenges In Texas:
A Texas A&M AgriLife Extension agronomist says scientists are still determining varieties and management practices suitable for the state's growing conditions."

The title makes my point.

Texas is NOT remotely similar to NATIVE, WILD growing cannabis/hemp.

You can literally spread poppies and hemp in places similar to Afghanistan and they will grow without any external help at all.

@jeffowski That does not matter, the point is there are large issues with the growth zone of hemp. It restricts the total acreage available.

@SlicerDicer -- But you are overlooking the fact that there have been large hemp crops in the United States up through to the 1930's before Federal restrictions and eventual prohibition.

The fact that TEXAS can't grow hemp doesn't mean that other parts of the US can't.

As a former prohibition era grower, I can fully attest that growing with the heat and humidity in Texas, even indoors, is a lot harder than growing in Colorado with much milder temps and dry air (even indoors).

CONT ->

@jeffowski Maybe you should learn the climate of Texas. Where that was being grown was on the dry side.

@SlicerDicer -- LoL, I grew up in rural Texas among the cattle ranches of central Texas. If you know Texas, you know that it is different in each part. Sea to desert, to mountains to plains, to swamps to forests. Other than the tundra, is spans virtually all the climates.
I'm seriously questioning now if you're just a troll claiming to be a farmer or even an actual Texan. 🤣

@jeffowski Where did I claim to be a Texan?

In fact I am, born in Lubbock but that’s besides the point.

Questioning if I’m a troll? Well I’ve put forward two articles one from Texas A&M they must not be Texans either? Or farmers at agriculture and mines? Thanks for playing.

@SlicerDicer -- LMAO...

Now I KNOW that it's all a big case of Dunning-Kruger.

I've actually grown cannabis and hemp in Colorado and Oklahoma. I'm asking for articles that could provide some backup to the claims you made and you send easily searchable stuff that I'm already aware of and with issues that have been solved. This is why I keep asking for NEW information.

Stick to your keyboard warrior shit and keep to your code.

@SlicerDicer -- Because I did not make any claims that needed backing up. 🤡

@SlicerDicer @jeffowski Slicer could beat you to death with his expertise and experience in agrophysics, botany, and agriculture, I don't even know why you think you can challenge him on this topic
@feld @jeffowski I can only assume Jeff’s lack of response to my prove it. He’s having a hard time finding proof. He was so quick to respond previously.

@SlicerDicer @feld -- Lots of claims that it can't happen when there is a lot of evidence that it actually is happening.

You've also only cited Texas A&M articles.

Minnesota hemp farming is going strong.
Oklahoma hemp farming is going strong.

You keep saying that it isn't happening or that there are issues, but I'm seeing it actually happening.

What I'm seeing is TEXAS can't do it.

@feld @SlicerDicer -- except that there is an actual hemp derived CBD market price that you can follow. It feeds directly into the Delta-8 THC manufacturing.

Just like you can use corn prices to decipher the health of a market and how "industrialized" it is, you can do the same with hemp.

@jeffowski @feld Stop diverting to nonsense, show me proof the problems are solved I outlined.

There’s a larger portion of land that’s subject to these rules compared to not. That’s why there is a big push to solve this.

Stop ignoring the issues that impact over 60% of the crop land in USA.

Minnesota grows food, Lubbock grows cotton. It is a viable strategy if it can work to replace cotton with hemp. Is it really that hard? Do you really want to see mass production on food production acreage? I don’t think so.

@SlicerDicer -- Minnesota Hemp Harvest, 2023.

Just because Texas can't, doesn't mean that everywhere else hasn't figured it out.

If it is so hard, why has Hemp derived CBD exploded? With larger yields, driving the prices down?

@SlicerDicer -- Following your news article, there are no details other than to suggest that four years ago, they were still working out the right genetics to match up with the climate.

Considering they could have pulled several hemp strains out of Africa and the Middle East, I can't imagine this continuing to be an issue today.

If there are still issues, it may be because everyone is using corn sowing machines thinking it will work with hemp seed.

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@jeffowski If you engage your brain, search based on these parameters. You will find it’s a much larger issue than you are making it out to be.

@SlicerDicer --

I have done much research and experimentation with cannabis to know that it does not always react in the way you would expect.

Grafting experiments alone, showed me that the only way to make it viable was to create a special tool to "industrialize" an otherwise tedious process.

What I'm trying to express to you is that there isn't enough information provided to properly assess your claims and your citation was quite lacking too.

I did my own research. That's why I need more.

@jeffowski https://agrilife.org/texasrowcrops/2020/07/13/update-on-industrial-hemp-for-texas-july-2020/

Dude just google it, this research is showing multitudes of issues from seeds sinking failing to germinate, failing transplants, early emergence of reproduction.

Stop saying you researched when you have no fucking clue what I’m talking about. Obviously you have a huge hole in your knowledge regarding hemp.

But weed bro, I’ve grown weed doesn’t cut it. My cannabis growth parameters I did in Washington State. That breaks all the rules you postulate.

This is the problem with the cannabis and hemp proponents. Realistic expectations are never a part of the conversation. It’s just hemp is fine it’s great and everything that is negative is wrong. Well sorry plants got positive and negative attributes. You can’t win them all.
Texas Row Crops Newsletter · Update on Industrial Hemp for Texas—July 2020 - Texas Row Crops NewsletterDr. Calvin Trostle, Extension Agronomy, Texas A&M AgriLife Extension/TAMU Soil & Crop Sciences, Lubbock, TX; (806) 723-8432, ctrostle@ag.tamu.edu July 8, 2020   Texas Department of Agriculture Hemp Licensing   The TDA hemp page, https://www.texasagriculture.gov/RegulatoryPrograms/Hemp.aspx, has further new items of interest.  In a June 19, 2020 Texas A&M AgriLife Extension webinar TDA assistant commissioner Dan Hunter noted to date TDA had issued: 861 producer licenses 351 crop permits 84 handler/sampler licenses (but only 73 listed as of July 7 at https://www.texasagriculture.gov/Portals/0/Files/ACP/Hemp/Handler_Sampler_List.pdf 158 handler licenses 19 processor licenses (as of... Read More →

@SlicerDicer -- LMAO... I'm really getting the vibe that you actually have no research and you're just grabbing the first links in your own google search and posting it.

And when I'm asking for newer information, you then cite an even older article.

Thanks for revealing yourself. 🤡

@jeffowski
Excellent point of view. Any statistics to back this up. Wild be an interesting argument.

@jeffowski one of my favorite people in the universe is an every day almost constant weed user. He’s brilliant. He’s funny. He accesses parts of his brain I’d never be able to do myself.
The weed keeps that access manageable. It helps him focus and cuts out the anxiety that comes with his brilliance. He’s beyond productive, he’s genius.

@Magooish -- I'm a sufferer of extreme depression and anxiety. I went off all my meds in 2013 so that I could reset and found that cannabis worked great. It's been eleven years and am a constant consumer with no "High" at all.

@jeffowski everyone is different and we all prefer conformity, right? But imagine the peace we’d have in this world if we understood that what people do to create the best optimum life for themselves ( without harming others) is what we should encourage.
I’d never be productive smoking or ingesting weed even occasionally. But I am 1000% ok with anyone who needs/wants to for themselves.

@jeffowski it's just as if not more offensive to struggling people to implicate that non-functioning people would be bad or worth less than other human beings. Makes ma wonder if "Church of Jeff" is an alias for "Church of Ayn Rand"

@Pentropy --because Cheech and Chong represent those people too?
Fuck off.

@jeffowski

Carl Sagan was a user and advocate of marijuana. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X", he contributed an essay about smoking cannabis to the 1971 book Marihuana Reconsidered. The essay explained that marijuana use had helped to inspire some of Sagan's works and enhance sensual and intellectual experiences.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sag

en.wikipedia.orgCarl Sagan - Wikipedia

@jeffowski The fact that I have to hide my usage around family and others, but I'm encouraged and reminded to take other meds, is highly depressing. The stigmas are ridiculous and I hate being socially penalized for mitigating symptoms of my disability. What, you want us to be miserable?

@jeffowski

The idea that the oppressed and marginalized can gain respect and inclusion by acting "better" than their oppressors is foolish and naive.

Cannibas and the 'drug war' was created by Nixon as a wild card to keep poor, black neighborhoods in check. 'Best behavior' has/had no effect on the effort.

Seeing how much money can be made by white people has become the incentive to regulate (although unfortunately not fully legalize) it.

Look around! Pot is legally sold and openly smoked throughout the U.S. and Canada.

Your overconcerned stereotypes were NO impediment to its current legal availability.

Don't try to hallmonitor the pot community. They can't hear you, and wouldn't care if they did.

@jeffowski yeah, and that crap about marijuana killing brain cells; everyone knows it’s alcohol that does that

@DanadasGrau
*Why I wish I could smoke/vape cannabis at social gatherings instead of drinking (to deal with my extreme social anxiety).

@jeffowski It makes me absolutely insane. Cannabis is serious medicine. Stoner culture cheapens it all. I am not a "stoner", I use this medicine appropriately to help me navigate multiple health issues and pain.

@JenWojcik @jeffowski

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B... :>

@jeffowski

I was a Marijuana Addict for 58 years, injecting three joints a day. I am happy to admit my habit and I stand firmly against the EVILS of Marijuana addiction... ☹️

Aside from Reefer Madness (A Documentary if ever there was one) here's another true note on the evils of marijuana addiction

@Ulzana and the worst of all: you are still missing opportunities and don't even notice! like you had the chance to mark this as satire. You didn't. Instead you risk to trigger the shit out of some people, not caring that they might get heart attacks. *fatal* heart attacks. because of you. because of your former addiction. just another proof how dangerous Marijuana is: It kills innocent people around you even long after your consumption!

@jeffowski
Med MJ is too fuckin high in Virginia. People are buying out of state..Gouging is rampant in all things for sale.

@GatekeepKen -- I've been saying that many of the cannabis legalization efforts are DESIGNED TO FAIL.
The people against it couldn't stop it so they set up rules that make it impossible to make a profit, impossible for consumers to afford it, etc.
And the major issue is that once the vote for legalization happens, the "cannabis voter" goes away and doesn't participate again, making this process easier for prohibitionists to make sure it is unsustainable and unprofitable.

@jeffowski
the problem here is Gov. Bumpkin. He put a block on the law that legalized it. How the fuck can he change the law. Dealers have left and closed up shpos they bet their lives on.

@jeffowski With a moment of reflection and distance, I now wish to apologize for making an reference in your mentions that you then informed me to be offensive to you. That wasn't appropriate for me to do. Now that I know better, I pledge to act more considerately.

@log -- This is why I apologized. I thought you were trolling a bit and snapped back. Thank you for being a person that is open to growth. Please also reach out and keep me in line if something I post is offensive AND false.
I am bombastic on purpose on specific topics, but I NEVER want to be cruel or provide information that is NOT FACTUAL.
I expect my friends to keep me to a higher standard, and I am glad my friends try to improve and be better too.