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@jeffowski Wait a sec, so they don't know?
@jeffowski It's not "stop killing people", it's quite literally "kill them all".
@bjeelka
Why don't you just give Russia their country back?
@aldarch3 Because it's not their country, and because they will kill us all and destroy everything non-russian if we will.
@bjeelka
Wait a sec, you don't know?
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/national-identity-in-ukraine/
@aldarch3 The fuck is that? You've just sent me a link to pseudo-historical russian imperialistic propaganda article? Please educate yourself in actual history and how it works, and they'll never fool you again. You can start with this beautiful course by Timothy Snyder:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz_1Mx1MaO6sw_&si=fjAICAMiEfhdDPTY
@bjeelka
Dude, check yourself - that's exactly what you did to be a smart arse in this thread.
I have no interest in Ukrainian history, and do think Russia should just fuck off home, just making a point.
As you did, I just searched up some shit on the internet to post to get up you.
People who are saying "Stop Killing People" are NOT Hamas supporters.
Being anti-occupation is NOT supporting Hamas.
Yes, Hamas are total bastards.
Yes, Israel are also being total bastards.
Stop being a dick.
@aldarch3 I don't get your parallelism. This pseudohistorical russian piece of fantasy you've posted should be analogous to what? List of actual quotes by actual hamas leaders who have actual genocidal intent and act accordingly? Like russians in Ukraine and unlike Izrael forces in Gaza?
@aldarch3 Okay, let's try to make a parallel that makes sense. This two years I've met a LOT of well intentioned "stop killing people" people that are totally not pro-putin, they're just pro-peace. Usually their plan is for Ukraine to surrender. This would be very peaceful execution of Ukrainians and destruction of Ukrainian culture.
@aldarch3 Sometimes their plan is peaceful negotiations, ceasefire and some guarantees of Ukraine's independence (in whatever borders this people may find appropriate without asking us of course). So basically putin gets a pause to regroup and pull his reserves, weakening of sanctions and we get a crippled economy and no weapon supplies.
@aldarch3 Then putin breaks the agreement and continues his offensive with stronger army, because that's exactly what he did with all the previous agreements. So whatever the intentions of this pro-peace people are - they are effectively working for putin.
@bjeelka
Sounds like Israel ...
@aldarch3 No, it doesn't sound like Izrael, it sounds like a propaganda version of Izrael drinking blood of innocent Gaza children this people like to conjure. Does Izrael commit war crimes? Yes, this is how war works. The only reason rate of war crimes from Ukrainian side is low (but not zero) is because it makes little tactical sense in our particular situation.
@aldarch3 But in theory we're happy to raise Belgorod to the ground if this will help to save life of 1 Ukrainian soldier. We're in survival mode, we don't care about what some dudes is suits call a war crime. War IS a crime, and we didn't start it. And Izrael also doesn't start wars. Each time this happens AFTER brutal attack on Izrael, not before. So again, what do you think Izrael should do instead?
@bjeelka
You sound like a Hamas supporter.
Israel should end the occupation and negotiate a 2 state solution in good faith.
@bjeelka
Good question.
"Representatives of the Palestinian people".
Probably including Hamas and the PA.
Ideally, a new democratically elected body, but it is where it is, currently, and the process needs to start.
@aldarch3 Oh yeah. and that dudes like "okay we agree, we don't wanna kill all Jews anymore, let's hold hands" and attacks on Izrael stop?
@bjeelka Yes, that is the end goal of the process.
When will you stop wanting to kill Russians?
@aldarch3 Are you again trying to equalize me and hamas? Look, at all times in every war people hate each other, that's how war works. And sometimes you just can't negotiate, because people in the other side just want all of you dead, and they're just not agree to any terms other than that. Hitler was like that. Modern russia is like that. Hamas is like that.
@aldarch3 Ukraine is not like that. Izrael is not like that. I don't agree with current Izraeli leadership in a lot of things, but they're NOT driven by the idea of wiping out all Palestinian Arabs, that's not their goal. But literally killing all Jews IS the goal of hamas. If you're thinking otherwise - you're just factually wrong, so please educate yourself.