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@mlanger@mastodon.worldI need to know if I'm in the minority.
Do you use Face ID (or Android equivalent if there is one) to unlock any devices?
I'd love it if you boosted this so we get lots of responses.
@mlanger My spousal unit has a face rec-enabled device - and does not use it. I have an older finger-id device. When I finally upgrade (this damned phone won't quit! LOL), I think I'll be inclined to use the facial things...
@mlanger @DWTSquawk7600 I use Apple Face ID. I also pay for stuff (almost) exclusively with my Apple Watch.
I’m still surprised at how often I tap my watch to pay and cashiers are amazed like I’m some sort of wizard of the dark arts.
@aerosavvy @mlanger @DWTSquawk7600 I used to do that with my watch then Google said I'm not allowed to with root. Got the same looks.
@aerosavvy @mlanger @DWTSquawk7600 you are gonna love Ring pay and the other payment ring options, you can pay with a ring!
@mlanger @canadianglen I'll only buy the iPhone SE, since it still supports touchID. I like the convenience, but FaceID feels icky and less secure.
@UrbanEdm @mlanger @canadianglen there’s a fun security story behind Face ID, initially Apple pushed for it because while the US government could compel you to give a finger print, it could not do the same for Face ID.
This is no longer true and the only secure lock is either hardware or pin, but it was an interesting historical / tech development
@ramiro @mlanger @canadianglen It's odd to me that "they can force you to put your finger there, but aren't allowed to point your phone camera at you" was a real legal position at any point.
@ramiro @canadianglen @UrbanEdm @mlanger the more clear statement seems would be “they could collect your finger prints to make silicon finger tips”
@ldbeth @canadianglen @UrbanEdm @mlanger that’s not exactly true as far as my understanding goes ( again, in the US ) police and federal representatives can require that you use your finger print or Face ID - this is not through a silicon reproduction ( though I believe they have the ability to produce these )
They cannot however at this point force you to reproduce a pattern lock or pin
@UrbanEdm if Apple keeps making Touch ID phones then yes, absolutely, but don’t bail on Face ID, it’s much more secure than a passcode:
@mlanger Marginally relevant: I worked with a pair of twins who could unlock each others' phones using Face ID. They occasionally used it to play good-natured pranks on each other.
@mlanger I'm tired of having to get a face lift and new fingerprints every time I need to change my password.
@mlanger i mean i have it, but i always type in the pattern faster than it takes to unlock, lol
@mlanger @DWTSquawk7600 reading your replies, I’d be interested in the split between US & non-US answers.
If you're concerned about the story doing the rounds in the press currently, the headlines are BS.
I don't want anything I use to have the ability to be unlocked by police without a warrant.
"Police are not allowed to demand someone to provide their pass code because that would be deemed “testimonial” and go against Fifth Amendment protections from self-incrimination."
@mlanger so the cops can unlock my phone by pointing it at my face? Nah.
Well since the cops can just buy everything that’s on my phone from data brokers, I figure it’s not that much of a risk increase.
@mlanger I only use face unlock (on Android) on devices without other biometrics.
@mlanger I can't even get touch ID to work reliably
@mlanger I use Face ID because fingerprint scanners don't work very well on me (I guess my fingerprint is too fine)
@mlanger No, and will not. I do not trust the state to not use this to unlock a device of mine against my will.
@Jon_Kramer @mlanger But you trust them not to beat your passcode out of you?
@mlanger since i have iphone that has face id, i didn't use anything else (except pass for after-update unlock)
@mlanger Face unlock seems insecure to me. I have never used it, and I don't feel the need to.
@mlanger
Not just no but hell no!
@mlanger@mastodon.world I have face recognition set up on both of my Android devices, but the truth is it seldom works. Fingerprint is more reliable but still sometimes fails.
I use FaceID for convenience as my company requires a lengthy passcode for any corporate connected personal devices and typing in a 12+ digit passcode every time I want to open my phone is impractical.
️ @mlanger yes. iOS. It’s much worse than a fingerprint.
@analog_cafe @mlanger It's easy to disable the feature if needed. You just have to push and hold the power + one volume button for 2 seconds OR push 5 time in a row the power button. The code will then be requested for next unlock.
It's the same trick for iOS device with fingerprint. So it's not worse and I believe it's a fair compromise.
@marhoff @mlanger that’s not how I meant it. Face ID requires me to look directly at the phone with my face unobstructed and the camera free of fog. It also has to have some other conditions because even that doesn’t guarantee it’ll unlock the phone. Fingerprint just works. Or used to, now it’s gone and I’m stuck typing password every other time. Not a huge deal but much less convenient.
@mlanger I use it but also I know the quick way to disable it in case I'm in a situation where it could compromise me.
(Hold the side button and one of the volume buttons together for two seconds, then press the side button again once the options to turn off the phone or make an emergency call appear. FaceID will be disabled until you enter your passcode.)
@mlanger Only had a FaceID phone for a few weeks but I use it all day, every day...
@mlanger I do not use FaceId on my Android Phones, but I do tech-support for people.
They hand me their phones, and I see FaceId lock, so ask "Say Cheese" and point their phone at them! Ping! unlock! (usually works - not always)
It always feels like I'm saying "Look, Mr Jobs, I have the owner right here with me! Please let me in!"
@mlanger I'd really love touchID again, since faceid and masks is iffy at best.
The actual security is mostly a non-issue though. I can almost certainly trust the people in my environment.
@mlanger @passenger Absolutely not. No notifications on the lock page either.
@mlanger Not on a bet.
The first time i saw a cop unlock a phone they had no business touching i swore such things off.
@mlanger but mostly use my backup pin
@mlanger@mastodon.world using fingerprint unlock + PIN here on Android
@mlanger i keep lil vinyl stickers on my cameras, but use fingerprint scanner for lock (android)
@mlanger for those use iPhone and have concerns on Face ID/Touch ID, note that press volume key and unlock key for a few seconds, that normally brings up a slider to power off the device, will also disable the bio identification and requires entering PIN numbers to unlock it again. In fact I’m more concerned about if only uses PIN it is harder for me to always remember covering to prevent the combination be recorded by either human or surveillance cameras
@mlanger FaceID on iPhone and TouchID on MacBook. I’d prefer TouchID on iPhone as well tbh but Apple seem not to be interested in under-the-screen readers.
@mlanger@mastodon.world I messed with it once on Android, but it meant that my phone unlocked as soon as it picked up my face, and I didn't like that function.
@mlanger Use always a pin number. The longer the better.
Forget about biometric shit.
@mlanger@mastodon.world using it regularly, tho it does sometimes fail with mask+hair in front of my face
@mlanger I don't trust any authentication method that somebody could use without my consent like when I'm passed out or asleep, passwords only
@angelikatyborska @mlanger I don’t know how Android phones work, but iPhones won’t accept just being pointed at a face. You have to be actively looking at the phone in order for it to unlock.
@mlanger nope, still use an old fashioned passcode
@mlanger No! I do not want my devices unlocked by a passive system. Your phone held in front of your face while being mugged? Or while asleep? Nope.
@mlanger yup FaceID is amazing.
@mlanger hell no