David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> “The NLA was contacted for comment.”</p><p>I imagine the advice to NLA, as after the launch of Trove 2020, will be to stay quiet and wait for the controversy to blow over.</p><p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/NationalLibraryAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NationalLibraryAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a></p>
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David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://aus.social/@macalba" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>macalba</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> that’s a huge number of WA titles! From the “Fishwrap”. Fishy! Worth a look into.</p><p>One of the things that has puzzled me is why did <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> suddenly react to Tim’s work? What had they seen that made them cancel his key without discussion? Perhaps newspapers[.]com is it?</p><p>Edit: To be clear, I’m definitely not thinking Tim had anything to do with this. Tim reports NLA’s shifting justification. So did NLA stuff up here when it was newspapers[.]com all along?</p>
David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.cloud/@secretgeek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>secretgeek</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> It does sound to me like cover (a shield) for wanting to teach Tim a lesson for some perceived slight. For doing stuff they can’t. For criticism of their spaghetti API. For posting about <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> other than on Twitter. Or any number of petty grievances they may have. <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Trove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trove</span></a> risk losing their greatest champion of all time. And they deserve that.</p>
David Coombe<p>Sounds like <a href="https://aus.social/tags/NationalLibraryAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NationalLibraryAU</span></a> planned a controlled burn and - now that it’s a bushfire coming back at them - they want to put it out. <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> undertaking reputation management.</p><p><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge/114068162650994733" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">hcommons.social/@wragge/114068</span><span class="invisible">162650994733</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>NLA cancelling <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span>’s <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Trove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trove</span></a> API key is mean and stupid. This is NLA’s “not invented here” chip on their shoulder.</p><p>Over many years I’ve been a big fan of Trove and then (maybe?) its regular critic. Not being part of the Trove-GLAM industry meant I had more freedom to criticise. Not because I enjoy criticising but because after Tim left it cared more about its reputation than about its users. Spin won out over diligence. Quantity over quality.</p><p>I wrote about <a href="https://aus.social/tags/FundTrove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FundTrove</span></a> presented as grassroots but really being a masked industry campaign. Recently I mentioned Trove budget’s double-dipping.</p><p>But people can’t keep “loving” Trove that takes them for granted. They can’t care forever.</p><p>See also <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/NationalLibraryAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NationalLibraryAU</span></a> and elsewhere and elsewhen at @coombeidau</p>
David Coombe<p>Finally releasing this research into the wild. Years ago I was deep into horse racing results from 1839 to 1845 using <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> and it paid off. No back to the future wins 👀 but recovering forgotten historical context for a watercolour of the Adelaide Races by John Michael Skipper.</p><p>I identify this picture as a race for "gentlemen riders" on New Year's Day 1839 featuring a uniformed Captain Charles Berkeley. (This is a side outcome of the <a href="https://aus.social/tags/S_T_Gill" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>S_T_Gill</span></a> project.)</p><p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/Adelaide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Adelaide</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/historyAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>historyAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/colonialArtAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>colonialArtAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/sportsHistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sportsHistory</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/horseRacing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>horseRacing</span></a><br>New Article: <a href="https://coombe.id.au/1840s_South_Australia/New_Year_Races_by_Skipper.htm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">coombe.id.au/1840s_South_Austr</span><span class="invisible">alia/New_Year_Races_by_Skipper.htm</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>I think this is the first time I've noticed that "Family Notices" are not "Articles" in <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> search any more (Article category). I need to change my search methods.</p><p>FN's, Detailed Lists, etc used to be subsets of Articles. Now they appear to be distinct sets. (I know you can manually add a Category to an Article.)</p>
David Coombe<p>2/5. With the article reporting von Sommer arriving South Australia in September 1845, I was puzzled I couldn't recall the name. So I spent some time in <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a>. So ... genius or charlatan? My overwhelming impression is it's the latter. Ludewig's article brings to light this "colourful" character, but I don't think it gives sufficient weight to the contemporary poor opinion of von Sommer ... /3</p>
David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> How frustrating! One wonders if Trove even has in-house ability to update its own API? But this is SNAFU at NLA and has been for some years. (I know this is not news to you of course.) I think millions in funding doesn’t fix Trove in the absence of cultural change at NLA. NLA needs to stop seeing Trove as their love machine and start seeing themselves as a diligent service provider to the Australian public.</p><p>P.S. The latest annual report shows NLA double dipped by taking extra Commonwealth funding while hanging onto Trove Collaborative Services income. <a href="https://aus.social/tags/fundTrove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fundTrove</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/NationalLibraryAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NationalLibraryAU</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>Historical Adelaide Maps</p><p>I'm setting free my <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> lists of historical <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Adelaide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Adelaide</span></a> maps by changing them from private to public view. Originally for my research, I now make them publicly available for what they're worth. (This material found more mature realisation in interactive maps and related map articles on my website.) <a href="https://aus.social/tags/historicalMapping" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>historicalMapping</span></a></p><p>Adelaide City, District and County Maps, 1837 to 1851+ <a href="https://trove.nla.gov.au/list/130558" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">trove.nla.gov.au/list/130558</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>1842 Kingston Map of Adelaide, CWC prints and James Allen's "South Australian News-Letter" <a href="https://trove.nla.gov.au/list/125895" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">trove.nla.gov.au/list/125895</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>This coming <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> change will impact on collaborative lists. The decision by a list owner to approve a collaborator would have to be based solely on username or on external communication such as FB. Will the list's FB page also go? (I have public lists but none are collaborative.)</p><p>It looks like <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Trove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trove</span></a> is getting out of user collaboration. The public forum went years ago. It's understandable. Part of the shifting role of Trove. Your thoughts? <a href="https://aus.social/tags/familyHistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>familyHistory</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/familyHistoryMonth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>familyHistoryMonth</span></a></p><p><a href="https://trove.nla.gov.au/help/become-voluntrove/lists/collaborative-lists#manage-a-request-to-join-a-collaborative-list" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">trove.nla.gov.au/help/become-v</span><span class="invisible">oluntrove/lists/collaborative-lists#manage-a-request-to-join-a-collaborative-list</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> soon to remove all identifying information from account profiles. All that's left is your user name.</p><p><a href="https://trove.nla.gov.au/announcement/2024/08/07/updates-trove-account-profiles-12-august-2024" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">trove.nla.gov.au/announcement/</span><span class="invisible">2024/08/07/updates-trove-account-profiles-12-august-2024</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> newspapers pretty slow again today.</p>
David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> Taking <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Trove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trove</span></a> newspaper issues by state and year (CSV), I further looked into the impact of the 1852 Victorian <a href="https://aus.social/tags/goldRush" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>goldRush</span></a> on newspapers. (It was hard to get staff with so many at the diggings.) From this data there is a big impact on <a href="https://aus.social/tags/SouthAustralia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SouthAustralia</span></a> and <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Victoria" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Victoria</span></a> itself and a smaller impact on <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Tasmania" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tasmania</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/historyAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>historyAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/newspaperHistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>newspaperHistory</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/1850s" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>1850s</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>I followed this up, wondering if the gold rush shows up as a newspaper business disruption more broadly across <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a>.</p><p>I used <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> ‘s <a href="https://aus.social/tags/GLAMWorkBench" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GLAMWorkBench</span></a> to "Visualise the total number of newspaper articles in <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Trove" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trove</span></a> by year and state". I specified <a href="https://aus.social/tags/1840s" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>1840s</span></a> and <a href="https://aus.social/tags/1850s" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>1850s</span></a> as the date range. Attached workbench screenshot and chart showing a significant drop in articles in gold rush 1852.<br>Use GLAMWorkBench - <a href="https://glam-workbench.net/trove-newspapers/visualise-total-newspaper-articles-by-state-year/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">glam-workbench.net/trove-newsp</span><span class="invisible">apers/visualise-total-newspaper-articles-by-state-year/</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p>The <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Adelaide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Adelaide</span></a> Times is completely missing for 1852 in <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a>. The paper was still produced in 1852 by proprietor and editor James Allen and gets quoted in intercolonial newspapers. 1852 was the year so many South Australians went with the gold rush to Victoria. The first issue that year was a single page due to “want of hands”.</p>
David Coombe<p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> newspaper image display seems to be more off than on today.</p>
David Coombe<p>Edit: <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> newspaper images loading again now.</p>
David Coombe<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hcommons.social/@wragge" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>wragge</span></a></span> this is very interesting Tim. When looking for a picture in Trove we tend to take the easiest path of searching “Pictures“, even though we may realise they may be found elsewhere. As I think you’ve pointed out before the categories seem to be blurring more, such as Newspapers and Periodicals. However the “search all” isn’t always an attractive option.</p><p>With so much more content I see scope in coming years for innovative methods of discovery - emphasising visualisation over text - which is exactly what your ideas keep prodding us with. <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a></p>
David Coombe<p><a href="https://aus.social/tags/NationalLibraryAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NationalLibraryAU</span></a> and <a href="https://aus.social/tags/TroveAU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TroveAU</span></a> are back online.</p>
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