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I almost never wish death on anyone, but I wouldn't shed any tears if I hear that Assad has been compromised to a permanent end.

David Njoku

Assad's British-born wife, Asma, still retains her British citizenship despite helping to head a regime that has spent the last decade murdering its own people with chemical weapons.

Tell me again why Shemima Begum had to lose *her* citizenship.

(I know I should stop going on about what happened to that girl, but I don't think I ever will. I don't even like her, but what Britain did to her was wrong.)

@davidnjoku

Absolutely it was wrong. She was a child.

@TalktoBeverley @davidnjoku I don't think even that should matter. A citizenship should be absolute, as far as the country is concerned. No takesie-backsies.

@http_error_418 @davidnjoku

You're right. I just find the decision all the more egregious since she was not of age.

@http_error_418 @TalktoBeverley @davidnjoku I agree fully, and it enrages me.

The point of the state is to protect its people. If the state can just decide that it doesn't like you and doesn't want you to be a citizen any more then it's not so much failing in its primary responsibility but actively refusing to even try.

@davidnjoku totally agree with your take on #Shemima #Begum. I don't like what she did. I'm not even sure I'd like her as a person. But she is a British citizen and that means the high and mighty should not be able to just unilaterally deliver punishment. She should have been arrested and prosecuted in a court of law.

@Setok @davidnjoku the UK should deal with it's own problems not dump someone onto a third country. This is particularly true when the person is rendered stateless - she did not have another valid citizenship whatever the Tory government claimed

@X31Andy @Setok Their argument is that she shouldn't be subject to the rule of law because she's probably broken the law. Which makes absolutely no sense at all!

@davidnjoku The Shemima Begum incident was infuriating. Evern if you didn't care about her, even if you didn't care about the rule of law, the whole thing was so obviously a publicity stunt by Islamic State & the British government couldn't have been more helpful to them.

@davidnjoku I always thought that the ‘danger to the British public’ argument which Sajid applied to remove Begum’s citizenship could be applied a lot more easily to him and his gang of criminals than the trafficked child who they performatively punished to please their stupid Daily Mail readers

@davidnjoku
That "chemical weapons" thing is not yet proven by evidence. Especially the use of chlorine causes injuries that would be easy to identify. You just need some photographs. Not one was showed so far.

@6d03

@wauz @6d03 I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

@InkySchwartz
If there was evidence,it would have been presented. It never was.
You can photograph mucosal tissue. You can photograph damaged eyes, too.

@davidnjoku @6d03

@InkySchwartz
Proof tho opposite. That's how it science works: falsification counts (Karl Popper)
You just try rhetorics. I don't waste my time on this.
@davidnjoku @6d03

@davidnjoku Yes, it was hugely wrong. Shamima Begum is at best a bloody fool and at worst a terrorist, but regardless she's one of ours and she's our problem. Removing her citizenship was unforgivable, had nothing to do with the rule of law, and had everything to do with giving Paul Dacre a semi and getting some favourable headlines from the Daily Heil.

@davidnjoku wealthy, adult wife of murderous ruler fine; child who was groomed and married to penniless jihadi and lost 3 babies can rot apparently.

@davidnjoku I didn't know his wife is British. It's too bad they're in Russia voluntarily and not in one of the Siberian prisons. That's what they both deserve.

@davidnjoku
Each of them is our problem.
Our previous government dodged many problems and claimed others were imposed on us and it wasn't fair.

Currently, I don't think the Syrian's lady has asked to come here.

@davidnjoku Just a guess but is it because she's got shitloads of cash? Just spitballing here.

@inpc No, that's crazy. Justice is blind, isn't it? Isn't it? 😀

@davidnjoku Agreed on all points. I hope Assad’s wife suffers extreme agony as did many of his victims.

@davidnjoku
The fact that Shamima Begum was a child who was the victim of sex trafficking seems to escape most people - the very least we can do is restore her citizenship and return her to the UK.
If necessary hold her while an investigation takes place (and i eould suggest that any investigation would be short), but she was born in the UK to people holding British citizenship, and has no connection to any other country, so she is our problem.
There are British men who went to fight for ISIS, and came back without facing any charges or losing their citizenship, the same should apply to her.

@stuartb I agree with you 100%. If she's guilty of a crime she should stand trial just like any other Brit. We don't get to strip her of her citizenship and wash our hands of her.

But it's more likely that she's been the victim of a horrendous crime, which makes what we're doing to her even worse.