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General rule of thumb: Every time an organization updates their terms of service and/or privacy policy, it is never because they have your best interests at heart.
Specific thoughts on this latest Mozilla action (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/)
Setting aside the "worldwide license" bullshit, the privacy policy appears to have broadened both the classes of data Mozilla aims to collect, and the situations in which they collect them.
These are not the actions of an org that cares about your privacy.
I'd specifically like to bring attention to the "To market our services." bases for data collection under which Mozilla now claim the right to gather, among other things, Unique identifiers and Browsing data - under which Consent is only considered if they have a legal obligation, and of course it's opt-out.
There is also the incredibly broad "To comply with applicable laws, and identify and prevent harmful, unauthorized or illegal activity." in which Mozilla states they may gather "all data types" - among the defined types include: searches, browsing data (visited URLS), content and any other data.
In support of nebulously defined "identify and prevent harmful," and in response to law enforcement.
That "learn more about" link just goes to a list of definitions.
Pfft...
Bunch of lawyer-speak drivel designed to obfuscate that Mozilla has simply decided they can't ignore the cash they stand to gain from having more and more data to sell.
Joining Google on the ad/data sales evil side.
@lupus_blackfur @sarahjamielewis
Baseless speculation. When we hear of them selling users' data without their consent, then you can doompost all you want.
Trolling used to take more effort.
Expected response from a bio that specifically expresses "enthusiasm" for Mozilla...
@lupus_blackfur @sarahjamielewis expected response from a furry who apparently hasnt ever heard of something as standard as a terms of use agreement.
Um, have you looked at your own profile picture recently? It appears to depict a unicorn. Equines had fur, last I checked.
And no, terms of use are not a standard part of free and open source software. The only thing I had to agree to to use Firefox 1.0 was the Mozilla Public License, and terms like these weren't in it. Back then, people would have been aghast if even Microsoft were caught selling user data, let alone Mozilla.
@argv_minus_one @lupus_blackfur @sarahjamielewis did you actually read the Terms of use? It takes only about one minute..
Do you have any complaints
I would of course stop supporting mozilla if they began selling users' data without their consent.
As I said, until it happens its just speculative doomposting
And about the pfp. Liking a show where the characters are animals isnt what makes you a furry.
It would make you a furry if you like the show *because* they are animals.
Why, yes. I complain that Mozilla is reserving the right to intercept the traffic between myself and the websites I visit, which is supposed to be encrypted and secret. I believe @sarahjamielewis has already made that complaint quite clear for me.
I also complain that there are terms of use, for what I believed to be free and open source software, at all. That is highly irregular, to put it politely.
@argv_minus_one @sarahjamielewis @lupus_blackfur
you clearly have misunderstood what that meant.
Firefox is a web browser.. it is part of the traffic. It sends the data, it receives the data. How would Firefox work if it didnt decrypt the HTTPS data of this mastodon website??
It just states that when you type text into mastodon via Firefox and click Post, you give Firefox permission to do your INDICATED action. That action being posting the text to mastodon.
"When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a [...] license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content AS YOU INDICATE with your use of Firefox."
If you didnt INDICATE for Firefox to intercept that information and send it to Mozilla, then they wont, and you haven't given them the permission to do so.
Idk how more TLDR to make it for u
“Us” refers to Mozilla, a company, not a piece of software.
“As you indicate” means nothing.
Mozilla does not need this kind of legal disclaimer to get away with making a web browser that does exactly the same thing that web browsers 30 years ago did with no such disclaimer. Mozilla would not have written this unless it had other plans.
@argv_minus_one @sarahjamielewis @lupus_blackfur
Ill agree that US probably means Mozilla.
But I still hold that "as you indicate" is meaningfull.
I think that one important thing here is that Firefox is no longer just a browser. "Firefox" includes a bunch of different Mozilla services that you have access to via it. That being for example its VPN service via Mullvad, Firefox sync account, uploading telemetry, uploading crash reports etc.
And all these services complicates things beyond being just a piece of standalone software.
The Terms specifically apply to “the Firefox web browser”. It's right at the start.
If you'd have me believe that “as you indicate” is meaningful, you'll need to explain.
@argv_minus_one @sarahjamielewis @lupus_blackfur i think it is meaningful in that- you only grant the permissions as you indicate giving them. You dont give the permission if you didnt indicate that you would be giving them permission.
Nevertheless you made me less confident in my overall interpretation by pointing out the "us".
Hopefully Mozilla sees the commotion of people having to guess at this paragraph and elaborates.
The rest of the document is very short and straight forward.
@saphkey @argv_minus_one @sarahjamielewis @lupus_blackfur "hopefully"
lmao :v