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Edit: went back and found my friend that originated the quote from Facebook.
@jeffowski it just allows people to do more stuff with the same level of skill. Every tool does/did that. Just look how many people can edit Videos today and how few were able to 20 years ago. U need way less skill to edit a video today, its more accessible. I dont see where ai differs from other things.
@mrrulf -- Because it is trained on content created by real people and these companies have stolen it without compensation to the original human artists.
Think about everything you've ever done and having it stolen and copied and produced by a machine without any compensation and in direct competition for your future art, which it will steal too.
How do you call that justice?
#AI #GenerativeAI #AItheft
@teledyn @jeffowski ok, the vid is about what goes wrong with ai, i agree with that, bit it also shows, the problem isnt the technology but humanity
Precisely, although that is the same excuse given by arms dealers.
When we opened the internet exhibit in '94 the curator asked if maybe we had just installed a handgun vending machine in a high school. I offered that perhaps it was time we taught them the appropriate time to buy a gun. Little did either of us suspect…
@teledyn @jeffowski there's a big difference tough, the main purpose of guns is to destroy, hurt and kill. The main reason we keep developing guns is to protect ourselfes from humans who are also getting better guns. Generative AI on the other hand is to create, do work. That can be good or bad. The main reason we develope that is to automate work, make ourselves more efficient and give everybody more possibility and make stuff more accessible. We mainly need weapons cuz of weapons, unlike AI.
Both are mere tools, tools that should not be kept in the hands of sociopaths.
@teledyn @jeffowski both need strict, reasonable and good regulations. AI shouldn't be abused by monopolies, I don't think AI would be a problem (so quickly) if everybody had the same possibilities with AI (computation wise) because there wouldn't be a monopoly to abuse.
Guns shouldn't be given out to everybody super easy, there are very few reasons for somebody to own a gun, as long as not everybody owns a gun (or ammunition).
When I was in California in the late seventies, raw eggs had just been banned. I saw numerous bumpers with the message you already know…
"If you outlaw ceasar salad, only outlaws will have ceasar salad"
Canada has strict handgun rules. It took a torstar journalist a lunch hour to go out and buy one on the street.
Suppose we addressed the MOTIVES instead of the MEANS, what might that look like? Poverty, broken court systems, inequity… what makes crime appear a best-option?
@teledyn @jeffowski if strict rules dont work (correct me if i got wrong what u said), why does it work in europe then?
Of course, bringing down the crime motivation helps. And that should be done, i agree.
But why still take the risk to let everybody habe easy access to guns? Europe shows that strict rules work, so to say they wouldn't work would be wrong.
I didn't say wouldn't. I said didn't. For whatever reason.
@teledyn @jeffowski okay, so it doesn't or didn't work in canada, where laws and regulations are still not as strict as in europe. But it does work in europe.
Keep in mind geography. Here in North America you are only a short walk from the Lawless Frontier, it is not possible to police it.
@teledyn @mrrulf — I don’t know what it’s like in Western Canada, but it is very evident to me (as an avid outdoors adventurer since 1987) that there are fewer and fewer wild places left in the world. When backpacking in 1992 for an entire summer, you could be in places where you could not see another man made thing within sight (for MILES). Today, you see power lines, towers, fences, roads, etc.
Light pollution makes it so the most people never seen the Milky Way
Do I really need to list the thousands of places in Canada where the law don't matter? 100x that in the US. If you are in Toronto I can walk you to some.
Where did you think the Proud Boys met? Facebook?
But clearly your mind is made up, so good luck with that. I hope you get lots of readily enforceable laws with brilliant police officers to back them.
Oh, btw, you read that FBI report on why they don't like dealing with local police forces?
@teledyn @jeffowski i guess with lawless frontier u mean area with nobody there, not actually officially lawless territory, right?
But even there, with no humans and infrastructure there, people need to bring their weapons from the civilisation. If illegal weapon deals happen there people have to bring the weapons there, if u want to shoot somebody there u need to get the weapon somewhere first. If every weapon has a unique id and it's owner and an address documented things get tough.
@teledyn @jeffowski these numbers look to me like restricitions on guns work. iirc Montenegro and Albania are less restrictive about weapons in general and have "gang" problems, trough which people get access to illegal weapons. The site says the sweden too has higher numbers because of this issue.
But in general it seems like restricting arms works, gangs and mafia do illegal stuff in general, so i wouldn't say when they break the law the law doesnt work. Imo
As for destroy hurt and kill, you didn't watch that #juicemedia I posted?
@teledyn @jeffowski i did watch it, but just because it describes in how many bad ways ai gets used, that doesn't mean ai can only be used like that.
Anyone who can lift a frying pan owns death
Do keep in mind I only said the same argument is used by nra folk. Dynamite is also used to build roads, mine, and suicide bombs. Guns are used to hunt for food and cull herds in wildlife management, but yeah, I struggle to find other uses 
Yeah but its way harder to kill somebody with a frying pan, both physically and psychologically.
Yes, thats why i said sometimes it's necessary to use guns for those purposes, but hunting animals for food is still killing them.
Hunters do have a reason to own a gun, so they should be able to get one, after doing courses etc. that make sure they know whats legal and what not etc.
Just saying that.
AI is different cuz u need to target big players with restrictions.
@jeffowski that can only be said about AIs, which are trained like that. It's also possible to train AI only in stuff, that the company behind it has the rights to. Thats why we have licencing, u can train ai on open source code and very often license sais the code can be reused, but has to stay open source.
Thats my take on it.